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DAYS: Weekly Discussion; Week of May 26
Topic Started: May 26 2008, 01:56 AM (8,798 Views)
PhoenixRising05
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^I'm not really disagreeing. I'm just saying I don't expect to get every little thing onscreen regardless of who is writing. I'm all for the little things to but, with the exception of the Steve/Kayla thing and Tony and Anna wedding, I don't think the other things mentioned have hurt anything, at least enough to ruin any story.

I should also add that while many here may not like Chelsea/Daniel or Stephanie/Max and so on, there are people out there that do. More then many of us think. I've witnessed it. I despise Stax and Chelsea/Daniel it usually depends on the day but there are people who enjoy them so I wouldn't say they are stories that just Dena Higley cares about.

I would prefer many other writers to Higley and I'm not trying to defend her. I guess my point is that no writer is perfect and it wouldn't matter who was writing. Some would still find something wrong and the ratings would still be the same with little difference. I also think many fans set their expectations far too high and damn the show for it when they are disappointed. NOT SAYING ANYONE HERE IS DOING ANY OF THIS. Just a observation based on reactions around the net and off.

I don't think what anyone has said is wrong. I just disagree a bit.
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So true. People are watching, days is up or holding steady (most weeks), so obviouisly more than just DH wants to see whats on air.
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DrewHamilton
Jun 2 2008, 12:59 AM
Why not? Oh, that's right because those are stories that Dena Higley is interested in and who the fuck cares about what anyone else thinks? Who cares if storie plots are coming out of fucking nowhere? Who cares if characters are becoming so boring it's nauseating? Who cares? As long as Dena Higley cares then she's going to write it.
soem of us do care and are intersted :)
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Mason
Jun 2 2008, 12:12 AM
My criticism of Higley has absolutely nothing to do with Hogan. Did I enjoy his work? For the most part, yes. Do I wish he was back? Absolutely. But how I feel about Hogan, contrary to what anyone might think, is not clouding my judgment on Higley's current material.

The stories have gone back to being all about the plot, if you ask me. Unlike during Hogan's run when the characters actually seemed "real", the writing has regressed and so the characters have lost that sense of realness. IMO, the writing on DAYS right now is only a small step above where it was from 2003-2006 under Higley and then JER.
I totally agree, Mason. Regardless of what Hogan did or didn't do, Higley's writing has been, in my opinion, a major disappointment. It's been repetative and she clearly has no problem sacrificing characters for plot purposes. She's taken all the progress made with Chelsea's character and thrown it out the window for the Chelsea/Dan romance. And I'm not even talking about whether or not that pairing is a good idea, I'm just speaking in terms of Chelsea's character. She's a totally different person than she was just a few months ago.

She's written an entire story arc that, I guess, was supposed to serve the purpose of introducing Ava to Salem and provide a backstory for that character, and Ava's leaving. It's not like this could have been that unexpected, so why write a story that does damage to two important characters and ignore any fallout from that damage for a character that is not going to be on canvas much longer?

She did manage to resolve part of the EJ/Sami stuff, but only for the purpose of reintroducing round 8 million of Sami/EJ/Lucas. Heck, she even threw Mickey and Maggie under the bus by having them not tell Lucas that EJ was living with Sami and the twins. In what world would Mickey and Maggie decide that they should let Lucas find out that little tidbit for himself?

Even Max hasn't escaped unscathed. I know that many here don't like him (or at least don't like him with Stephanie) but he's always been a basically good guy. Now, he's some mathematical genius who, for no reason whatsoever, is being an ass about it and hiding the whole thing from his friends. It doesn't make any sense for the character at all. But, it serves some plot purpose, so who cares?

Maybe Higley isn't worse than Hogan, but she's not any better. She's just bad in a different way, at least in my opinion.
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esp13
Jun 2 2008, 09:40 AM
Mason
Jun 2 2008, 12:12 AM
My criticism of Higley has absolutely nothing to do with Hogan. Did I enjoy his work? For the most part, yes. Do I wish he was back? Absolutely. But how I feel about Hogan, contrary to what anyone might think, is not clouding my judgment on Higley's current material.

The stories have gone back to being all about the plot, if you ask me. Unlike during Hogan's run when the characters actually seemed "real", the writing has regressed and so the characters have lost that sense of realness. IMO, the writing on DAYS right now is only a small step above where it was from 2003-2006 under Higley and then JER.
I totally agree, Mason. Regardless of what Hogan did or didn't do, Higley's writing has been, in my opinion, a major disappointment. It's been repetative and she clearly has no problem sacrificing characters for plot purposes. She's taken all the progress made with Chelsea's character and thrown it out the window for the Chelsea/Dan romance. And I'm not even talking about whether or not that pairing is a good idea, I'm just speaking in terms of Chelsea's character. She's a totally different person than she was just a few months ago.

She's written an entire story arc that, I guess, was supposed to serve the purpose of introducing Ava to Salem and provide a backstory for that character, and Ava's leaving. It's not like this could have been that unexpected, so why write a story that does damage to two important characters and ignore any fallout from that damage for a character that is not going to be on canvas much longer? The only characters that seem the same since Higley took over are Tanna and Bope but they aren't getting much of a story now are they so it's easy to write them within character.

She did manage to resolve part of the EJ/Sami stuff, but only for the purpose of reintroducing round 8 million of Sami/EJ/Lucas. Heck, she even threw Mickey and Maggie under the bus by having them not tell Lucas that EJ was living with Sami and the twins. In what world would Mickey and Maggie decide that they should let Lucas find out that little tidbit for himself?

Even Max hasn't escaped unscathed. I know that many here don't like him (or at least don't like him with Stephanie) but he's always been a basically good guy. Now, he's some mathematical genius who, for no reason whatsoever, is being an ass about it and hiding the whole thing from his friends. It doesn't make any sense for the character at all. But, it serves some plot purpose, so who cares?

Maybe Higley isn't worse than Hogan, but she's not any better. She's just bad in a different way, at least in my opinion.
Well said by both of you! I liked Hogan for the most part, and even though sometimes the writing was bad, the day to day was so much better and at the minimum everything FELT REAL.

Now I feel like I'm not watching the same characters anymore. Steve and Kayla? I love MBE and SN but it's so OOC for them to be ignoring the elephant in the room on this Ava thing. What lovable traits that RM brought to Chelsea have been zapped away so Chelsea can be rewritten to plucky heroine I guess mirroring young Kayla or Jennifer (when it just doesn't fit the character). Max and Stephanie are boring as hell, and of course the most interesting aspect of their story is totally ignored, the fact he's her uncle. Yes it squicks many people out, me included, but if that was a real obstacle it would make me pay attention to the story. Meanwhile, the only thing worthwhile about Max was his lovable charm. Well that's gone too to let us meet BITTERGENIUS Max which is a real sourpuss and someone I could care less about. Give me more Nick please.

As for Lexie and Abe, I hate to begrudge them a story but marriage problems to Lexie/Abe are what kidnappings are to Marlena. If this is going to start down the path of autism for young Theo, I so wish that had been the root of their arguments, not that Lexie is just too busy to be a good wife to Abe (seriously, now I'm starting to understand why she cheats so much). John and Marlena, well I've not been a big fan of them and I do find their story more appealing then it ever has been, however, I admit their fans are hating it and I can't blame them for not enjoying Jawn (though I do).

Now what I do think Higley is doing right is the chemistry testing. She's testing EJ and Philip with what feels like all of Salem. That's great and I love that. But I wish she would extend it to other single men on the show, especially Nick who could really benefit from female company. Also? They just brought on SC who apparently many are finding quite sexy, let's see him really tested with other women on the show. If he were in scenes outside of Chelsea, Lexie and Kate, I might learn to possibly like him (maybe).
Edited by Tripp, Jun 2 2008, 10:40 AM.
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Alligato
May 27 2008, 06:13 PM
Kinda liked the weird Nicole/Ava friendship...they compliment each other. EJ thrown in there was pretty interesting and I find myself raising a brow over EJ and Ava. Two of a kind with the controlling father/shady past thing going.
Ava is more EJ's kind...definitely not as psycho as Sami and that is saying alot.
Nicole also shares that with them.
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And the crazy thing about the Steve and Kayla/Ava thing is that it is not just some fans that notice something weird about it and comment on a message board. Here you have Mary Beth Evans talking to TPTB about it, speaking out about it in the mags, etc. The great thing about Ed Scott coming on board was the collaborative environment he fostered with the crew and cast. It should be extending to the writers also. If you have a respected actress who cares about and understands her character and she is willing to speak up about her concerns, it seems obvious that some attention should be paid. Who knows maybe something will come of it but it has been so long . . .

I am glad at least in this instance that MBE is willing to speak up on behalf of her character and play whatever distance she can within the scripts. Of course, way in the past this got her in trouble with TPTB, but with Ed Scott at Days I can't see it happening like it did back then.
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Tripp
May 29 2008, 03:23 PM
Lexie, stop talking about your problems to everyone, nobody cares.
I care more about Lexie then pathetic Nick who always have the "did I shit my pants" look.
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Kirk
May 29 2008, 07:57 PM


My FF button has got a work out this week, all the Payla scenes and most of the scenes where Nick was congratulated, Maggie couldn't even save those scenes for me. Peter Reckell has to be hating his material the last month or so, Bo isn't the kind of guy to be talking green if you ask me.

Someone said that Peter Reckell is very, how do you say passionete (sp?) about green environment so I don't think he mind talking about green. I have also read that Ed Scott is also horny about all the green bullshit. If they care about stuff like that, fine but don't push that shit down our throats.
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Jonatha


I just watched Monday's episode and two things stand out for me: Bo and Hope's samba, I wonder if KA or PR is getting ready for next year's Dancing with the Stars - one can hope. Secondly, James Scott's drunk scene was frigging LOL hilarious! I really don't care what they do with EJ's character, just keep him on my screen. The longer he's on the more I'm reminded of Cary Grant, who was so versatile he could do serious drama, light comedy and slap stick! Bravo to James. :cheer:
Edited by Jonatha, Jun 2 2008, 01:05 PM.
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Mason
Jun 2 2008, 12:04 AM
I'm not debating anything. I just think it's hilarious that people actually think this plot-driven crap is supposed to be about the characters.
I could have said that same thing last year when you Sheffer-lovers acted like that
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